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Title: Music
Post by: reirei on May 01, 2008, 05:02:42 PM
I know this doesn't have anything to do with anime, but  it seemed like the most appropriate subject to put this under.

So what kind of music does everyone here like? metal? punk? country? deathrock? goth? folk?

What artists?
Title: Re: Music
Post by: packrat on May 02, 2008, 12:42:55 PM
The Black Mages
Red Hot Chili Peppers
ALI Project

I think that's about it for me...
Title: Re: Music
Post by: reirei on May 03, 2008, 04:01:48 PM
Quote from: B.u.S. on May 02, 2008, 04:35:32 PM
Never been a big fan of bands putting across messages - a song is only as good as their lyrics, and if a band starts to get all political or start to send a message, then you're listening only to the music they make. And if that music sucks then the band loses integrity.

For record I didn't laugh at you liking them, I laughed at the fact that you said their guitar playing skills were awesome. Good, but far from awesome if anything. I also said that they were good at taking simple riffs and making songs out of them, and not every band does that well. Green Day are fecking rich so they must be doing something right.

If you like lyrics and simplisity you should check out joanna newsom, she is this tiny little woman that plays harp and sings the most amazing poetry. just beautiful.

as for green day i have bee in the hard core punk sceen for to long to like them anymore, their music is just to poppy for my tastes.

right now i am really into cocorosie, portishead, oingo boingo, opeth, joanna newsom, and whatever else pours out raw talent.

oh and gogol bordello, everyone should listen to them at least once, they are fucking amazing.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: Igotseven on May 03, 2008, 07:08:10 PM
for me
good lyrics=good meaning
personally i listen to lyrics and figure out the meaning. that way it becomes a memorable song. and most of the time i listen rock, pop rock etc
if u find it weird then its your problem
Title: Re: Music
Post by: Ameboes on May 04, 2008, 09:56:56 AM
I'm mostly a fan of symphonic music. Romantic, modern classical, video game or film score (orchestra, of course), baroque/classical, in that order.

After that, heavier progressive rock/metal, symphonic metal, other metal in general (just no raspy/growling vocals, please). Some of my favourite bands include Dream Theater, Nightwish (not since Annette became vocalist though—they sound way too pop-ish now) and Metallica. Jimi Hendrix's style is one of the rare exceptions to my preference of heavier rock.

Can't stand death metal, hip-hop rap. I dislike country. Pop is occasionally tolerable, though save a few rare exceptions, I wouldn't voluntarily listen to it unless the only other choices were rap, hip-hop or death metal.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: Ameboes on May 04, 2008, 10:54:35 AM
"Now"? So what about Metallica's older stuff?
Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 04, 2008, 02:14:27 PM
I'm glad to see that this board likes good music!  I have a few favorites myself.

The Mars Volta is among my favorite bands.  Their tracks are all solid and unique.  They all sound drastically dissimilar, but when you hear them, you know you're enjoying some Volta.  Also they usually throw in a few arcane words, which is lovely.

Coheed and Cambria's another great one.  I've heard all their music, and I have to say, they've really made a lot of progress as a band.  They don't just remake their old stuff, but at the same time, they keep what was great about their classics.  Also, they're great live, and I highly recommend you all to see them.

Led Zeppelin is my #1 favorite band, and they need no introduction.  Shit, do I even have to explain why I like them?  I don't think so.

I'd be interested to hear what you think of my choices!
Title: Re: Music
Post by: Ameboes on May 04, 2008, 02:42:27 PM
Ah, The Mars Volta! I've heard some of their work, not much, but from what I did hear, I like them as well.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 04, 2008, 03:39:26 PM
I know I'm going to get reamed for this, but....  xD

My favorite artist/composers would be:

Nobuo Uematsu (official composer of most of the Final Fantasy series)
Yoshinori Mitsuda (official composer of Chrono Trigger/Chrono Cross)

Outside of Video Game music, though;

I like *early* Michael Jackson (back when his skin was still black and he was a kickass dancer) with songs such as:  Beat It! and "Thriller".

I also like one song of Garth Brooks - The Dance (though I like Westlife's version better).

Other artists I liked are:

Mariah Carey
Cyndi Lauper
Elton John
Nickelback (just for "Rockstar")
Chuck Berry (for "Johnny B. Goode")
Madonna (Material Girl)
John Williams (his composing is second to none)
Ray Parker, Jr (for "Ghostbusters")
Queen ("We Will Rock You", "We Are The Champions")
Kenny Loggins ("Footloose", "Highway To The Danger Zone")
Bonnie Tyler ("Holding Out For A Hero")
Michael Bolton ("How Am I  Supposed To Live Without You?")

Then, I like some J-pop too, most notably:

Ayumi Hamasaki
Hirano Aya
Yui ("Life")


I can tolerate most types of music *except* "Gangsta Rap", "Hip-Hop" and a lot of general Rap. (I don't say I hate *all* Rap, though, as there's a rather excellent Legend of Zelda Rap floating around somewhere... and some of Will Smith's early Rap seems to be decent.)

I do like some classical, though, such as Beethoven and Bach. (and the William Tell Overture)



Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 04, 2008, 03:47:49 PM
Star, you seem like you have good taste, but a short playlist.  I'd imagine that you hear the same songs quite often.

Have you ever tried just putting the names of those artists in a program like Limewire?  You can find lots of great tunes that way.


As for BuS, it's never too late to start getting the Led out.  A few good tracks to start with might be Dazed and Confused, Ten Years Gone, and the classic Stairway to Heaven.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: Ameboes on May 04, 2008, 03:51:45 PM
QuoteNobuo Uematsu (official composer of most of the Final Fantasy series)
Yoshinori Mitsuda (official composer of Chrono Trigger/Chrono Cross)

Uematsu wa, not for anything about IX. (He co-composed X with two other composers, and his music isn't the majority I believe.) I think he's overrated, personally; yes, he did write a few gems, but not that many.

And it's Yasunori. :P
Title: Re: Music
Post by: Ameboes on May 04, 2008, 04:20:23 PM
Quote from: B.u.S. on May 04, 2008, 04:08:29 PM
I disagree with Uematsu being overrated. He honestly can't do every song single-handedly, but he is good for what he does.
Well, to me, his music's never been as great as people make it out to be, compared to some other composers. He has written a few good pieces, but most of it isn't so great to my ear.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 04, 2008, 04:30:27 PM
I agree.  Uematsu is EXTREMELY overrated.  His music is fine while I'm playing the game, but I wouldn't listen to it outside of that context.

A vidya soundtrack has to be really good for me to seek it out to listen to for my personal enjoyment.  Good examples would be Katamari Damacy and Disgaea.

Final Fantasy's music just isn't that memorable, really.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 04, 2008, 06:21:35 PM
I *knew* I was gonna get reamed for saying it.  xD

Anyway, no to the HELL NO. Uematsu is *not* overrated and no, Final Fantasy's music is *greatly* memorable. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not good. ~_^

As for Mitsuda, well, I always misspell his name so I apologize for that.  :death:


Also, I don't like music just because one person does it; I'm not loyal to artists so much as I'm loyal to *songs*. Therefore, looking for songs on Limewire (which I might add is rather crappy on my computer in the first place - I suggest esnips, personally) is uber fail for me, lol.

Also, I'd like to say that anyone who says Uematsu is overrated, is clearly falling for the "FFVII is overrated" syndrome.  =P

Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 05, 2008, 02:33:43 PM
I think in the end, it comes down to the distinction between good and great.  Uematsu is good, not great.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 05, 2008, 04:36:32 PM
Personal preference is the bottom line in any debate such of this.

Obviously, not everybody will like someone's music; conversely, however, there are people who will *love* that same someone's music.


However, saying that Uematsu is overrated is extremely opinionated as there is no *such* proof that his music is overrated;  FFVII, however, is *overrated* simply because of the hype surrounding it. You might notice that in all the commercials and in all the ads for Final Fantasy, they *hardly* mention the music.  Therefore, Nobuo = underrated (if anything), lol

Title: Re: Music
Post by: Ameboes on May 05, 2008, 04:52:35 PM
Put this into context, however: how many typical RPG players actually give a damn about the composer or the music for its musical qualities, and not just as background music? Most would care about graphics, gameplay, storyline, voice acting, translation; few would notice the music unless it was absolutely awful or completely awesome. Even so, I doubt most would bother looking up the composer, buying/obtaining hte OST or looking into the composer's other works.

Uematsu may not be a ubiquitous name like FF is among gamers; however, it is among anyone who has moderately pursued an interest in video game music. In general, I find that the reaction to his music as music are greatly positive (notable exception is in (amateur) composer niches, both classical/orchestral as incidental [video game, film score, etc.] composers); furthermore, there's a reason that the first name I came across in video game music was Uematsu's (and no, it wasn't because I played FF games; I've barely played any of them, in fact). In my listening, I have found that his music is not as great as it is generally praised for being; thus, relative to my ear, his music is overrated.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 05, 2008, 05:55:39 PM
That statement has a bit of waffling there (sorry, can't think of the right term). On the one hand, you say that: 

In general, I find that the reaction to his music as music are greatly positive

Then you say:

his music is overrated.

If people like his music, if "in general", the majority like it, then it's not overrated.

And again, like you said, how many typical RPG players actually give a damn about the composer or the music for its musical qualities, 

This only further proves that Uematsu isn't overrated, because outside the RPG "clique", no one is going to look him up or even care about him. And even those that *do* that like RPGs, don't like Uematsu if they are *not* Final Fantasy fans at all.



Title: Re: Music
Post by: Ameboes on May 05, 2008, 06:10:50 PM
overrate: v. to rate or appraise too highly; overestimate —Synonyms overpraise, overesteem, magnify. (Dictionary.com Unabridged)

I believe that those with an interest in video game music generally overestimate Uematsu's music—thus that people generally overrate his music. Those who don't have an interest in VGM as music, of course, cannot be considered in the general popular opinion of Uematsu, just like you can't say that FFVII isn't praised too highly because most people don't play video games, or at least involved games like RPGs, and thus have no opinion on it.


As for that word, maybe you were thinking of "contradictory"?
Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 05, 2008, 06:35:38 PM
This is exactly the idea I've been trying to convey.  Also I lolled at waffling.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 05, 2008, 07:39:37 PM
Quote from: Ameboes on May 05, 2008, 06:10:50 PM
overrate: v. to rate or appraise too highly; overestimate —Synonyms overpraise, overesteem, magnify. (Dictionary.com Unabridged)

I believe that those with an interest in video game music generally overestimate Uematsu's music—thus that people generally overrate his music. Those who don't have an interest in VGM as music, of course, cannot be considered in the general popular opinion of Uematsu, just like you can't say that FFVII isn't praised too highly because most people don't play video games, or at least involved games like RPGs, and thus have no opinion on it.


As for that word, maybe you were thinking of "contradictory"?

Oh, gee, let's see... out of all the people that I know that rate VGM music, the game names (representing their soundtracks) that I hear most often are:

Castlevania (Symphony of Night)
Legend of Zelda
Metroid
Mega Man.


Face it... with the anti-Final Fantasy movement growing, Uematsu's music has *not* been overrated during his entire term. Further, if his music *was* overrated, then "The Black Mages" wouldn't be one of the top selling VGM soundtracks out there. There would be a feedback loop of sorts wherein the Anti-Uematsu crowd would go out and buy *other* soundtracks instead.

Not only that, but Uematsu has shone incredible range in songs, on the order that people like Beethoven never could do (simply because he didn't know about it).

Now, let's drop all this overrated crap, mmkay? *Nothing* is overrated so much as its overhyped and VGM music *does not* fit into over-hyped. As you yourself said, "RPG gamers don't care so much about the music as they do about the other parts of the game"  =P

Oh, and also, if people *didn't* buy the OSTs to the games, why do they still make them, hmm? Those OSTs are one of Square's biggest sellers outside of the games themselves. Doesn't seem like overrated to me.

Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 05, 2008, 07:44:27 PM
Star, did you just really compare Uematsu to Beethoven?  I mean, really.  He's a very good artist, but Beethoven was a GENIUS.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 05, 2008, 07:48:24 PM
Quote from: MinaMurray on May 05, 2008, 07:44:27 PM
Star, did you just really compare Uematsu to Beethoven?  I mean, really.  He's a very good artist, but Beethoven was a GENIUS.

Beethoven was limited to one style of music because he didn't have access to all the other different styles out there.  Yes, he was a genius, but so is Uematsu.  Uematsu has compose meaningful songs that only add to each and every scene that the artists drew and illustrate. 

Naturally, Uematsu might *not* be everyone's cup of tea, but that doesn't mean he's not *as much* a genius as Beethoven.

Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 05, 2008, 07:58:41 PM
Yes, but as you suggested, the songs are better when considered in the context of the Final Fantasy scenes.  Additionally, you cannot hold the fact that Beethoven had no access to various styles of music against him.

Really, though.  I LIKE Uematsu, and I don't even put him in the same league as Wolfgang.

When you start to talk about genius, you have to put aside personal feelings about music and be objective.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 05, 2008, 08:02:03 PM
I am being objective;

I compare both Beethoven's music with that of Uematsu's. 

I still say that Uematsu is *as* much of a genius as Beethoven because the emotional impact of Uematsu's music reaches me just as much Beethoven's.

and might I also add that I've heard Uematsu's music played by a orchestra, so clearly, I'm not the only one who thinks he's just as good.


Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 05, 2008, 08:11:01 PM
But you must understand, part of the emotional impact reaches you because you associate it, if only subconsciously, with the events of Final Fantasy.

Also, I must reiterate, genius isn't a matter of opinion.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 05, 2008, 09:13:15 PM
No, I don't feel the emotional impact because I've played the game. I mean, just listening to "Cry in Sorrow" really does make me cry whether I think of Anna's death or not. The music is intensely beautiful and well-written for the modern time.

Also, Uematsu *is* a genius on the order of Beethoven. He has the ability to make people *feel* the songs whether you see the scene or not.

Beethoven did the same, I agree, but whereas Beethoven was constrained by the classical period in which he was born, Uematsu is capable of transcender more than just one brand of music, whether it be J-pop or even the classical style of Beethoven himself.  =P

Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 05, 2008, 09:45:04 PM
I would argue that you're disregarding the SUBconscious aspects of your mental process, but that's for another day.

Really, I'm just going to close my argument with this:
Will people remember and continue to listen to Nobuo centuries from now?  Genius stands the test of time.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 05, 2008, 10:08:45 PM
There's no way to know *right* now if Nobuo Uematsu's work will last as long as Beethoven's, but consider this:

Nobuo's best works started in 1991 (with Final Fantasy IV); In just a couple of months time, the re-release of said game will be pushed, for the 20th anniversary of Final Fantasy. His music has stood the test of time for 17 years, so far.

With Final Fantasy still going, it's quite possible that his music will survive and thrive as long as Beethoven's has. Not only that, but, again, there are literally hundreds of tracks on many tens of CDs sold for his music, he has his own band that is wildly popular here and in Japan, and his music has been played by the greatest orchestras of all time. 

Seems pretty Beethoven-ish to me.  =P

Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 05, 2008, 10:27:58 PM
However, throughout those 17 years, he has not received mainstream success.

Yes, he has lots of fans.  However, most mainstream music fans don't know who he is.

Beethoven achieved massive success throughout his living career.

Of course, as you've said, and quite rightfully so, we cannot know.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 05, 2008, 10:35:18 PM
Oh, I don't know... I think he's gotten a *lot* of mainstream success. He was part of the "dream team" that made RPGs popular to *all* sorts of people; not to mention, again, he has his own band *and* his music has been played by professional orchestras.  Seems pretty mainstream to me.  =P


Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 05, 2008, 10:59:54 PM
Oh, I know.  He's pretty successful.  He's done well, and his music is well known.  But what I meant was, he's not achieved mainstream success in the sense that he appeals to broad populations.  I know many people hear him in Final Fantasy, but only some listen to it outside of that.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 06, 2008, 12:08:23 AM
Sadly, that's more due to the bias *against* listening to VGM music outside of the game.   :S


I mean, taking Doom_Guard for example; he *hates* to listen to VGM music and he's not the only one. Then, of course, you've got the Anti-Final Fantasy bias growing as well so even *more* people are opposed to even trying to listen to him, even without playing the games.   :S


It makes me sick to think that such a genius like him probably won't be acknowledged as a genius simply because of these things.   :S
Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 06, 2008, 12:22:35 AM
I've not seen much Final Fantasy bias, but yeah, most people don't listen to vidya music outside of games.

I think it's just not their cup of tea, usually.  It does take good taste to get into tracks like he writes.  I had Don of the Slums on my iPod, and people thought it was weird.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 06, 2008, 12:34:31 AM
What it is, basically, is that since Final Fantasy got so big and so popular (and few other long running RPG series can compete with Square's advertising blitz), people are getting sick of them and starting to share their opinions as fact - sorta like how people now feel about Walmart, when back in the day, they used to *love* Walmart for the cheaper prices over Kmart.

Now, guess what... Walmart is *exactly* like Kmart was and people are starting to hate Walmart because of it, lol.


I don't really think "Don of the Slums" is all that great myself, personal opinion, but I do love nearly *every* track from FFIV and FFVI.


Dancing Mad - Black Mage version gives me chills when I read the final chapters of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. I swear the music fits *so* well there.   :blushing:

Title: Re: Music
Post by: Ameboes on May 06, 2008, 01:03:03 PM
QuoteBeethoven didn't have that problem - he could do what he wanted.
Musicians of their time did, to a point. (At least, baroque and classical periods—I'm not sure about the classical-romantic transition period that Beethoven was a part of, but I'd assume it was still similar.) A lot of their music was commissioned—church music or for royalty's enjoyment or entertainment during a supper or feast. They were limited by the music' intention and whatever was asked of them. If we're comparing to Uematsu's work for games, we're comparing their works written for their job.


@Star: As per you're wishes, I'll drop the subject, but I'd just like to make a final note: it seems that most of our argument centers on a fundamental disagreement on the definition of an overrated medium. I believe my understanding of it as it applies to media is correct, but it is solely based on my observations of usage trends and what I could make out of the dictionary definition.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 06, 2008, 02:37:21 PM
Put it this way, Ameboes:

For something to be overrated, it would mean that a select *few* would think it was great, whereas the majority of fans would think it sucks. Uematsu's music, by your own admission, is generally well-received everywhere it goes. I would think that means it's *not* overrated.  =P

And, uh, BuS? The heck are you on about, FFXII not using ATB? O_o;

I've played the game and it *most* certainly *does* use  ATB.

Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 06, 2008, 04:34:49 PM
Quote from: B.u.S. on May 06, 2008, 04:25:50 PM
I hated FFXII, and it had the worst battle system ever since Kingdom Hearts II. Whether it has ATB or not is irrellevant - if the system wasn't broken why try to fix it?


Because people get bored with the same battle system rehashed over and over again.  =P

FFXII was Square's answer to the MMORPG craze and I think that as an offline MMORPG, it wins quite hard at that.  The story, now that really sucked for me, lol.

Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 06, 2008, 06:48:00 PM
Yes and have you not read what I said before? There's a Anti-Final Fantasy bias growing because Square reuses the same systems, similar characters, etc, etc...  ATB is one reason why (another is the moody, quiet, self-absorbed main character - the "Cloud/Squall" syndrome - If Square keeps reusing the old systems without advancing them more than they've done, they're going to oversaturate the market and lose business.  =P

I applaud what they did gameplay-wise with FFXII (don't much like the instant-death without ID protection), because it was something that they hadn't done in a console game before. Now if they could just fix the damned story...   :lol:
Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 06, 2008, 07:14:15 PM
I thought that FFXII had the best battle system of the series.  It was actually fun and active, unlike several other titles in the series.

The story didn't really matter to me.  I muted the TV whenever the main scenes were on.  I was a lot more interested in the peripheral objectives of enjoying my role in the clan, achieving sidequests, and hunting the required quantities of monsters to unlock those bonus documents.


Taiki, I'm sure you know, but the band behind Live and Learn and most of the other 3D Sonic themes is Crush 40.  They may or may not have been involved beyond that.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: Ameboes on May 06, 2008, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: Star on May 06, 2008, 02:37:21 PM
For something to be overrated, it would mean that a select *few* would think it was great, whereas the majority of fans would think it sucks. Uematsu's music, by your own admission, is generally well-received everywhere it goes. I would think that means it's *not* overrated.  =P

By my understanding, something is overrated (in a given person's opinion) when the general populous regards it highly while this person does not. Your definition I'd attribute to "underrate"—when the general public sees it as less or notices it much less than it deserves.


FFXII... haven't gotten far enough to judge the story, but the gambits make for interesting pre-strategy. Otherwise it's difficult to control the other characters, though, with all the switching menus ... plus I find the free-movement ATB system rather slow and non-strategic most of the time. I'd rather a full-on real-time system à la Tales or Star Ocean, or the FFX CTB system.

Personally, I don't like the music of recent Sonic games (just like the games themselves). I loved the old 2D Genesis platformers to bits, though—my first video game was Sonic the Hedgehog, actually—and most of its music. A lot of them sound awesome as metal or orchestral arrangements.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 06, 2008, 07:44:30 PM
Quote from: Ameboes on May 06, 2008, 07:39:15 PM
By my understanding, something is overrated (in a given person's opinion) when the general populous regards it highly while this person does not. Your definition I'd attribute to "underrate"—when the general public sees it as less or notices it much less than it deserves. 

We must agree to disagree there. When something is overrated, a small group of loudmouthed people (such as critics, fanboys, etc) *say* something is really good, when to most of the world, it isn't.  Uematsu's music *doesn't* fit into this category, sadly, thus I said that Uematsu's music isn't overrated.

Underrated would be where the critics and anti-fanboys hate something that the rest of the population actually loves. 




Title: Re: Music
Post by: Ameboes on May 06, 2008, 07:49:38 PM
Well, this isn't a matter of opinion but of understanding a term's popular usage, so I'd love to get some external opinion on which of our stances is correct, then. :D
Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 06, 2008, 07:58:34 PM
Quote from: Ameboes on May 06, 2008, 07:49:38 PM
Well, this isn't a matter of opinion but of understanding a term's popular usage, so I'd love to get some external opinion on which of our stances is correct, then. :D

Well, consider this:

FFVII is one of the games that was rated at the top of the charts for years. You've got critics, you've got loudmouth fanboys, all saying this is "THE GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME!"

Then, when you get right down to it and start asking the serious veterans of not only FFVII but of all Final Fantasy games (not to mention playing it yourself), you find so many errors here and there (mostly translation errors), that compared to any other Final Fantasy game, FFVII was dubbed with extremely poor quality and the game itself used character models that were *worse* than Super Mario 64 that was released the year before for a different system.

Not only that, but if you've ever seen the commercials for FFVII, you'll realize that they *only* show the FMVs and *not* the gameplay itself.

Thus, the majority of good, honest, Final Fantasy players agree that the game is overrated. It's a solid game, good for its time, but it is *not* "The Greatest Game of All Time."

Then consider the opposite situation;

Final Fantasy VIII was released a year or two later;  by all graphical standards, it *far* surpassed FFVII, by script standards, it surpassed FFVII, by gameplay standards, it surpassed FFVII.  Yet, most people hate it. Most people think it's one of the worst in the series and the critics gave it *less* accolades than FFVII.  Why?  No one knows for sure, but it's considered a great game by those who've actually gone out and played it as opposed to those loudmouth idiots who say it sucks.

This, then, is why people (the true fans of FFVIII) say that their game is underrated, because of all the negative feelings about what is one of the greater games in the series as a whole.

Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 07, 2008, 10:39:12 AM
Quote from: B.u.S. on May 07, 2008, 06:30:11 AM
Okay, here are my two cents. This time, they're Canadian.

Why are we debating over the underrated and overrated? Final Fantasy VIII was a massive improvement over FFVII, but maybe those changes were made to fit the old school fans from VI and before. Most RPG fans (myself included) started on FFVII, and thus we consider that to be the benchmark which all other games are compared to. Since FFVIII was such a large change, the newer RPG fans hated it because it wasn't anything like the Final Fantasy they had first played.

On the other had, those who played FFVIII first or had played previous Final Fantasies may have appreciated it more because FFVII wasn't such a landmark title - it was just the next game in the series. They had lived through the storyline of FFVI (some consider it to be the best, but I won't say anymore since we'll spark another debate), and FFVII was just the step into the next generation and wanted to play it to see what they had done.


Uh, no offense B.u.S, but FFVIII had *more* in common with FFVII than it did with the earlier Final Fantasies, what with the:

1. Brooding Anti-Hero main character
2. Controllable Limit Breaks
3. The "Every Character Can Do Everything" ability

Also, the fact that you couldn't use most magic without decreasing your stats was *greatly* against the earlier Final Fantasy routine.  =P

Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 07, 2008, 12:30:51 PM
You know, I don't think I realized just why IX is my favorite.  It's clear now, though.

#1 doesn't apply at ALL, what with Zidane being so awesome.
and #3 doesn't apply, because the characters are all fun, and useful for different reasons.
It's just a balanced game.

Thanks for that, Star! :001_icon16:
Title: Re: Music
Post by: ltmt on May 07, 2008, 01:25:06 PM
Music! Well, here's something that EVERYONE claims to be "super super passionate like omg" about. There's no negotiating with people about their musical tastes, and no use telling someone their favorite band sucks, because everyone is different in that regard. I find it very interesting, actually, how diversely humans enjoy different genres of music. What makes someone like country when I find it so bloody annoying? What's so intriguing about the rap culture to certain groups of people while others find it so distasteful, or offensive? Is it like everything else where genetics and environment both interact to create some hybrid of musical taste, or is there something more in the works? I'd love to see studies on infants, playing them different kinds of music and seeing how they react.

Anyways, blah blah blah. My favorite band is Radiohead. Their music is so melancholic and I can just drool down into the rhythms, lyrics, and riffs completely. Their music alters my mood and enhances my feelings and conceptions about life. I feel a deep spiritual and intellectual bond with the group even though I've never met them or seen them apart from on TV or on a computer screen. Another band I quite like is Sigur Ros. They're an Icelandic band with a very unique style - I'd recommend them to people with any kind of musical taste. :punk:... yeah, rock on, mofucka!!!
Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 07, 2008, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: MinaMurray on May 07, 2008, 12:30:51 PM
You know, I don't think I realized just why IX is my favorite.  It's clear now, though.

#1 doesn't apply at ALL, what with Zidane being so awesome.
and #3 doesn't apply, because the characters are all fun, and useful for different reasons.
It's just a balanced game.

Thanks for that, Star! :001_icon16:

#2 doesn't apply to FFIX either, considering you *can't* control when you Trance (such as you Trance *right* before you finish the enemy off and can't save it after the battle is over.  =P

Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 07, 2008, 09:32:21 PM
Hey, I forgot about that part!  Thanks!

I swear, FFIX would be perfect if it weren't for those battle fade-ins.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 07, 2008, 09:51:54 PM
You mean the ones that take like 2 or 3 seconds before *each* battle?  :lol:

There's no doubt about it that the game is slower paced in battles and that's annoying, but hey... at least you get to hear the battle theme as it goes along.   :lol:
Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 08, 2008, 03:27:56 PM
Oh, I know.  I just wish they had battle transitions as awesome as Pokemon Blue.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 10, 2008, 10:15:35 PM
Why not steal some music using Limewire or that program Star suggested, fififive?

Then you'll have music, and everything will be copasetic.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 11, 2008, 02:10:57 PM
I admire that kind of mentality.

Really, it probably reflects poorly on me that I'm enough of a bottom feeder to take whatever tracks I can get.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: Ameboes on May 11, 2008, 07:12:07 PM
Most iTunes files have DRM and are relatively low quality (acceptable for a portable, but not with proper sound equipment and relatively good ears). It's mostly the DRM that irks me.

Personally, I prefer just converting CD audio to MP3 256~320 kbps, usually VBR. For the, er, other method, I prefer BitTorrent. Easy to find complete albums or discographies, they're usually acceptable quality and relatively homogeneous at least within an album since it's usually all from one source, and you can easily just grab a few files if they weren't put into an archive before being put up for torrenting.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: FallenStar on May 11, 2008, 07:48:38 PM
Quote from: MinaMurray on May 11, 2008, 02:10:57 PM
I admire that kind of mentality.

Really, it probably reflects poorly on me that I'm enough of a bottom feeder to take whatever tracks I can get.

Bottom Feeder? Nah... you're a top tier person.   :gunsmilie:

I used to get my stuff off esnips, but I haven't felt the need to get anything for a while, lol.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: MinaMurray on May 11, 2008, 10:19:27 PM
Better yet, Reggie and the Full Effect - Dwarf Invasion.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: dragonfox2004 on May 19, 2008, 08:47:43 AM
i like mostly anything but i like rock the most


artist

evanescence
linkinpark
crossfade
seether
nickelback
(all for now)
Title: Re: Music
Post by: Merchant_Of_Death on May 19, 2008, 04:37:15 PM
Cruxshadows is really good. One of my favorite songs by them is winter born
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SVNjx4k8mWk
Title: Re: Music
Post by: Igotseven on May 26, 2008, 08:16:48 AM
I'm getting addicted to Electric Dreams (old song)
Title: Re: Music
Post by: Ranpalan on May 27, 2008, 10:43:36 AM
I listen to Aria, mostly... Sometimes Blackmore's Night.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: Serika on May 27, 2008, 09:16:37 PM
Wow, hehe, i probably have the smallest playlist here.


Marilyn Manson (Dope Hat)

Nightwish (Dark Chest of Wonders)

Tom Lehrer (Vatican Rag)

Current favorite mp3 is "Integral body and imperfect soul" from Star Ocean 2. :)
Title: Re: Music
Post by: Phatman_Dover on August 26, 2008, 05:39:04 PM
I enjoy mostly 60's, 70's music. The Doors, The Who, Deep Purple, things like that. Punk rock is a favourite, and Bad Religion is a great band for all those punkheads out there.

Metal is not horrific, but not the best shit ever. Buckethead gets me going every time though. The Beatles, David Bowie, Pink Floyd, Radiohead, MF Doom (Only rap I listen to besides MC Chris), Aphex Twin, Locust Toybox, and a lot more.

I do not listen to country music. It's not the music for me.

Oh, and Nirvana. How could I forget them?
Title: Re: Music
Post by: Lantis on September 15, 2008, 08:14:19 PM
Classical; mainly Baroque and Romanticism
Title: Re: Music
Post by: megafobia on November 12, 2008, 11:31:33 AM
All genres! depends what mood im in really.
Mostly RnB/Hip Hop (besause its up beat and easy to sing along to)
I also like my dance music when im in the mood :)
I like some rock music (foofighters, nickelback, kings of leon) but no heavy metal.
Sorry to all you classical fans out there but i cant stand the stuff!

Who here watches X Factor? (a singing talent contest in the UK)
Title: Re: Music
Post by: Nekrofreak on November 25, 2008, 01:01:10 PM
I like all genres

the only condition is that the sound is really good that means: a good bass and a nice melody xD

but my favorite genre is Hardcore  :drool:
Title: Re: Music
Post by: Loki275 on December 23, 2008, 06:53:07 PM
I'm a big fan of the Beatles. I like most kinds of music. I also enjoy Weezer, Jonathan Coulton, and Everclear.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: impasse32 on December 30, 2008, 10:09:45 AM
Rock of all types, occasional metal bands, pop/electronica, and a little rap on top of it.
The only thing I don't do, and refuse to listen to, is country.

as far as bands go i've got:
Coheed & Cambria, Darren Hayes/Savage Garden, Shinedown, Dave Matthews Band, Static X, Disturbed, Switchfoot, My Chemical Romance, and Steve Vai (my fav guitar player)
Title: Re: Music
Post by: AliasnameTO on December 30, 2008, 06:23:28 PM
Quote from: impasse32 on December 30, 2008, 10:09:45 AM
Rock of all types, occasional metal bands, pop/electronica, and a little rap on top of it.
The only thing I don't do, and refuse to listen to, is country.

as far as bands go i've got:
Coheed & Cambria, Darren Hayes/Savage Garden, Shinedown, Dave Matthews Band, Static X, Disturbed, Switchfoot, My Chemical Romance, and Steve Vai (my fav guitar player)

My tastes are similar, but without the metal or rap and I will listen to a minuscule amount of country, providing it's not too country-ish :p.

And regarding rock, I like Shinedown, Avril and the like, but I mostly like the older classic rock, like Lynyrd Skynyrd, AC/DC, Tom Petty, etc. And I guess it would go under "other" but recently I've listened to a great deal of Jimmy Buffett and Billy Joel.

On a side note, I went to a concert a few months ago by Joe Satriani. That guy's insane, I'm telling you.  :drool: It was a little too hard for my taste (somewhat like Metallica, but completely instrumental) but they don't call him a virtuoso for no reason. Hehe I was a bigger fan of his bassist, Stu Hamm. Not only because I play bass myself, but because his solo wasn't so hard on the ears lol.
Title: Re: Music
Post by: anastyanax on October 28, 2009, 11:25:22 PM
My musical tastes are all over the place...I don't think I could live without Led Zeppelin, Tool, Matthew Good and Alexisonfire. I mostly like rock with good guitar, alternative, and metal that isn't corny (like Megadeth...except Holy Wars kicks ass.). But I also like Linkin Park and some classical music lol