Author Topic: A treatise on site beautification, organization, and popularization. Condensed.  (Read 9365 times)

Offline zryouiki

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There aren't a lot of anime-centric peeing forums on the Internet. Especially not a lot that aren't vile hives of scum and villainy and attention whoring and poor mental states and disrespect and spying and iron-fisted control and story-stealing.

Ahem.

Anyway, that makes it tough to find a good one. This site here, however, has potential to become a good one. However, it's flawed up the butt. First off, and I've mentioned this elsewhere, but the actual boards themselves are entirely ugly. This looks like a hospital forum IN SPACE, rather than an omorashi forum ON LAND. The banner is also entirely atrocious, and I personally volunteer to fix that up, if I'm allowed. Seriously though, that ugly butt artifacting, blatant nudity, and clear photoshop has survived for how long? Jeeze.

The board structure is pretty bad, too. You have to scroll past four sections to get to the peeing stuff, which, let's be honest, is what people are here for. I think the whole "For Fun" section should be named "Off Topic", include Games and Anime (I mean, it includes music...), and be moved to the bottom of the display.

The polls section seems a bit pointless. I'd put those under off-topic as well, if anyone actually ends up using them. Maybe merge them with forum games.

For a site dedicated to anime girl desperation, the actual boards dedicated to desperation are few in number and lacking defintion. Sexual discussion has only one board explicitly for desperation, and three for others/nonspecified. That seems a bit imbalanced. I'd rename "Random Fetishes" into "Other Fetishes", stick Lolicon into there as a sub-board if possible, then move Female Desperation to its own, new category. Then, under the new Desperation category, add in more specific things, like diapers, personal experiences, sightings in media, male desperation, etc. Why try to fit EVERYTHING desperation in one board, when, for crying out loud, we have FIVE different roleplaying boards? Don't be afraid to branch out a bit.

Picture posting can probably be eliminated, with its boards moved elsewhere. Goofy pic posting should obviously go under off-topic, downloads can go under a Desperation category, along with Dubious Charms. Also, I have to question, as an artist... where do I post my art? There really should be an art section for artists to post pictures. So far that seems to be Download's job, but who would expect art to go there?

For the Role Play category, well... I'm not too familiar with the whole thing. Just seems like a lot of sub-boards when there could be less.

Fiction could probably be split. Wetting fiction under the Desperation Category, and maybe an off-topic fiction in the off-topic category.

All in all, we just need to focus on our main appeal first. People come here to get off, and share how they get off with others. The off-topic stuff is needed for a better community, but will only appeal to those who've already become regulars. "Came for the porn, stayed for the people" should be the kind of members we aim for.

As for getting people here, or bringing them back, you could do some subtle advertising. Post links to stories written here on other forums, or tumblr, or something. Upload some related content to youtube, and throw the site's name in the description. The site needs to do all it can to bait people here for their 'bating. Community will come after they cum.
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Well, Fallen already knows most of what I think about potential improvement. Most notably is my point about making all the boards viewable to non-registered visitors but we've agreed to disagree on that.

Changing the banner sounds good, and since we have someone willing I don't see why not.
The background too, maaaaybe. A solid color might actually look more professional.

The board arrangements all seem like reasonable ideas.
Since objectively there seems to be a lot of talk about games, maybe even make a whole board about games and have each game take a separate topic?

I've had some ideas to help bring the community together and make people active, the main one being the Emily game in the community RPG thread (Which is being worked on with everything else and once I have an acceptable skeleton framework it will be open to the public to edit - no idea how many people it will get though).

I am mainly posting because I'm being peer pressured by Zryouiki ;_;

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Sounds more like you wish the site were completely torn down and then put up by you, yourself. I'm afraid I do not see the logic of your complaints; you seem to be making mountains out of molehills and you do not explain why you think the boards are ugly.

I can give very little credence to your suggestions since you seem to think nearly everything I've done is wrong, so.... all you have done is reinforce the idea that I should not be running a site since all I've done is make a mess of things and put up ugly boards.

Thank you very much for your complaints. I shall take them to heart.


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Offline zryouiki

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Don't take it as a personal attack. I was just saying, the forums here utterly lack focus. People come here to fap. The rest of the off-topic boards, interests boards, etc, are only beneficial to who we retain. THAT is my logic. You're complaining about lack of posters. Bringing focus to the forums will bring people in.

What's wrong with a big remake? We need to just focus in on the desperation aspect, bring that to the forefront, instead of burying it under and among off-topic boards. That alone we require rather heavy reorganizing of the boards.

As for why they're ugly, it's simply too clean. The boards scream "default". The space background is thematically off-point. The banner is too blatant nudity, making people shy away from having the boards up in case someone sees.

I don't see why you can't give "credence" to my suggestions, just because there are a lot of them. If you want to bring in posters, you can't just tell people to post. Do something about it. Identify the problems, and address them. Don't make it a pity party. Learn and change.
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People come here to fap.

That is exactly the point; this isn't supposed to be a place for people to fap. This isn't 4chan. This is supposed to be a place where like-minded individuals come to discuss those topics that they have in common. The pictures are more a bonus than an outright requirement. You have fallen into the same trap that everyone else seems to; thinking this place is nothing more than a porn site - it's supposed to be a lot more than that.


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The rest of the off-topic boards, interests boards, etc, are only beneficial to who we retain.

These are supposed to be lures, benefits for those that come here in general. I do not want a site full of lurkers and leechers who do not post - when I started this site, I used to run leecher purges all the time; I stopped when people started to complain but I can see that people have taken advantage of this <_<

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What's wrong with a big remake? We need to just focus in on the desperation aspect, bring that to the forefront, instead of burying it under and among off-topic boards. That alone we require rather heavy reorganizing of the boards.

No, your changes would make this into, as you said, a "fap" board. That is NOT the goal here, nor do I wish to alter the site from its current design for as one great man said, one man's trash is another's treasure. I prefer the design of the site as is and I see only one person complaining that it's ugly.

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As for why they're ugly, it's simply too clean. The boards scream "default". The space background is thematically off-point. The banner is too blatant nudity, making people shy away from having the boards up in case someone sees.

First you complain that the site is supposed to be a fap site, then you complain about blatant nudity? HOLY INCONSISTENCY BATMAN.  Seriously, it seems like you're doing nothing but nitpicking here. <_<

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I don't see why you can't give "credence" to my suggestions, just because there are a lot of them.

I don't give credence to your suggestions because they are, for the most part, against the goals of the site and whiny little nitpicks against what you, yourself, would want. If you want a site that looks better in your eyes, you are free to go make one. Just like animepee did.

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If you want to bring in posters, you can't just tell people to post.

I am aware of this.

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Do something about it. Identify the problems, and address them. Don't make it a pity party. Learn and change.

What you suggest are not inherent problems, however. Just little nitpicks on your own part.



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You're being stubborn and are misunderstanding. I'm not socially equipped to deal with that, however, so I'm done. Best of luck.
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I wrote a few paragraphs in reply but now my main laptop is in the process of repeatedly dying and I'm on my backup with a broken keyboard ;___;

tl;dr There's a middle ground between accepting suggestions and completely rejecting them

Zry didn't say this is a porn site, just that the initial draw for most users will be the FD content, because nobody would choose this site if they only wanted a good community, and so some format changes to make things more welcoming might be an idea

I think you're both actually in agreement over a fact but are saying it in different ways:
You want this to be a smart and civilised place to discuss and share content about FD/Omo rather than an empty-headed porn picture exchange site. I don't think either of you disagree there. If you start from that common ground and got all your goals straight then I think it could go relatively smooth from there.

Regarding the site's design: I'm not that picky so it isn't terrible, but I think there are places that could be improved.
There isn't actually an inconsistency with Zry saying the banner is too blatant: I think he's trying to say that the site should look a bit more classy.
It doesn't need to be 5* hotel classy, but at least 'no nudity at the top of every page' classy.

Everyone here means well for the site - you don't need to follow all his suggestions, but rather see the points he's making and then decide how to act upon them yourself.


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I wrote a few paragraphs in reply but now my main laptop is in the process of repeatedly dying and I'm on my backup with a broken keyboard ;___;

Sorry to hear that; I hope you get your laptop problems fixed, we really don't need you to be unable to connect here because you're one of the best members we have.

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Zry didn't say this is a porn site, just that the initial draw for most users will be the FD content, because nobody would choose this site if they only wanted a good community, and so some format changes to make things more welcoming might be an idea

Except I don't want people here that wouldn't care for the site in general. Whilst it's true that I'm using a bit of porn as a lure, the overall intent would be to reward people with more porn if they hung around and participated; that is why I have certain sections of the site locked off until people are given advanced membership and why I used to use a post count to determine worthy users - the problem is that people made shitty one word posts to get around that and so I had to use a different method.

Regarding the site in general, I see nothing overly different between this site and half a dozen other forums that get people to post and I see no real reason to completely throw away the format and put up something new in its place. This place, in its current format, DID at one time get lots of posts and it had nothing to do with what it looked like; this is why I can't give credence to the TC's complaints and suggestions about changing the layout of the site or removing the banner, which I happen to find quite attractive.

And I still don't understand why having a somewhat softcore porn image is BAD for a site that has a great deal of porn focus on it. Methinks the complainer complains too much. =P



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